Don't scare the Horses!

[Ed_Dinning]

As ever, these rules need intelligent application, not the old style police officer/ politician, chanting like a Clockwork Parrot "Speed Kills, Speed Kills".

As ever rules are for the strict adherence of fools and the guidance of wiser men.

I suspect the human condition will allow these argument to continue to run for many more years yet

Ed

[Jez]

As ever, these rules need intelligent application, not the old style police officer/ politician, chanting like a Clockwork Parrot  "Speed Kills, Speed Kills".

As ever rules are for the strict adherence of fools and the guidance of wiser  men.

I suspect the human condition will allow these argument to continue to run for many more years yet

Ed

Very true. Hence my anger at tax cameras doing you for speeding on a straight road, with no houses near them, at 5am when there is no one but you within a mile and in good weather and visibility.

When my incredibly fast and powerful motorbike was on the road there was rarely a journey I made where I didn't go beyond 100mph at some point (unless you've experienced 164bhp behind only 220kg you don't know what effortlessly powerful really is!), BUT if I was going past a school etc I'd slow down appropriately. A safe speed for the conditions can be way above or way below the legal speed. 

In foul weather I would go into the inside lane on a motorway and down at probably 60mph and be horrified by the mainly BMW and Merc cars still doing 90mph + in near zero visibility! I note that these same car models should all be illegal for having indicators fitted which seem not to work even when the car is brand new

[Jez]

Off topic but I reckon the problems with quoting I was having were due to my other old browser having an adblock extension which no doubt disables javascripts. Using firefox here now.

[Sinewave]

As ever, these rules need intelligent application, not the old style police officer/ politician, chanting like a Clockwork Parrot  "Speed Kills, Speed Kills".

As ever rules are for the strict adherence of fools and the guidance of wiser  men.

I suspect the human condition will allow these argument to continue to run for many more years yet

Ed

Very true. Hence my anger at tax cameras doing you for speeding on a straight road, with no houses near them, at 5am when there is no one but you within a mile and in good weather and visibility.

When my incredibly fast and powerful motorbike was on the road there was rarely a journey I made where I didn't go beyond 100mph at some point (unless you've experienced 164bhp behind only 220kg you don't know what effortlessly powerful really is!), BUT if I was going past a school etc I'd slow down appropriately. A safe speed for the conditions can be way above or way below the legal speed. 

In foul weather I would go into the inside lane on a motorway and down at probably 60mph and be horrified by the mainly BMW and Merc cars still doing 90mph + in near zero visibility! I note that these same car models should all be illegal for having indicators fitted which seem not to work even when the car is brand new

I know exactly what you mean. I had an Aprillia RSV4, on an open stretch of dual carriage way I managed to reach (mumbled words) without even realising it and the rev counter had a few thousand left to go. I still have my ZX6R which can do (mumbled words) in second gear, but I don't condone it at all.

When I had my Corvette, it was just as fun just burbling around at 30mph, hearing that V8 whopping out of the exhausts and turning heads.

[Jez]

My Super Blackbird will do nearly 90mph in 1st gear.... The power is such that it would take the self control zen of the Buddha himself to not hang on to the throttle for just a few seconds more when overtaking on a motorway, and reach a highly illegal speed just for the thrill of it! Sometimes when pulling on to a motorway slip road from an elevated roundabout and seeing all clear ahead the horns definitely appear and you can easily accelerate from say 20mph to 140mph in the length of the slip road   Bugatti Veyron performance on pretty much everything but outright top speed for one hell of a lot less money  It's no longer the worlds fastest production bike of course but I can't say I yearn for any more power!

[Kalee20]

Hence my anger at tax cameras doing you for speeding on a straight road, with no houses near them, at 5am when there is no one but you within a mile and in good weather and visibility.

The thing is though, speed limits apply at all times of day, so they need to be enforced at all times of the day.

It's not just for times when you're the only person on the road... having a limit to speed gives you more chance to avoid wildlife. I've hit 3 deer in my time that have jumped out in front of my car, and avoided lots... it's not a very nice feeling to be thinking that if I'd stayed within the limit, that young fawn would still be alive (to say nothing of damage to the car).

[Sinewave]

Did you not fancy taking some venison home?

[peter scott]

My next door neighbour just bought a used BMW 435D XDRIVE M SPORT AUTO.

Power 308 bhp
Top Speed 155 mph
0-60 mph 4.5 secs
Torque 630 Nm, 465 ft-lb
CO2 Emissions 146 g/km
Euro Emissions Standard 6
Miles Per Tank 627 miles

Just looking at the specs it's remarkably economical for such a fast car managing 40 to 50 mpg. It's even ULEZ compliant!

Peter

[Sinewave]

This is the irony with ULEZ and everything associated with it - the environmental impact of scrapping a good working car, to have more 'output' to produce another car just to follow a movement where the goal posts later will be moved.....

[Mike Watterson]

ULEZ is about local air quality so less people have chronic diseases or die. It's not about an overall life-cycle environmental impact.